1 00:00:11,930 --> 00:00:02,869 hello my name is Willa you're listening 2 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:11,940 to uncle ratchet welcome to the sceptic 3 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:14,610 zone the podcast from Australia for 4 00:00:18,080 --> 00:00:16,010 science and reason 5 00:00:21,050 --> 00:00:18,090 [Music] 6 00:00:26,590 --> 00:00:21,060 [Applause] 7 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:26,600 [Music] 8 00:00:33,790 --> 00:00:29,250 yes it's the skeptics are in episode 9 00:00:35,780 --> 00:00:33,800 number 448 for the 21st of May 2017 10 00:00:38,150 --> 00:00:35,790 richardsaunders here with you from 11 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:38,160 Sydney Australia and it's the sort of 12 00:00:44,660 --> 00:00:41,850 weather I just love it's fine sunny it's 13 00:00:47,270 --> 00:00:44,670 not hot it's not cold you can wear a 14 00:00:49,100 --> 00:00:47,280 jacket you can wear a t-shirt you can 15 00:00:51,410 --> 00:00:49,110 wear snorkels and flippers if you want 16 00:00:53,540 --> 00:00:51,420 it's very pleasant at the moment in 17 00:00:55,820 --> 00:00:53,550 Sydney we were supposed to get all this 18 00:00:58,490 --> 00:00:55,830 deluge this weekend but didn't happen so 19 00:01:03,290 --> 00:00:58,500 very good coming up on this week's 20 00:01:07,010 --> 00:01:03,300 episode of the skeptic zone UFOs oh yes 21 00:01:09,710 --> 00:01:07,020 an oldie but a goodie I do like UFOs 22 00:01:12,470 --> 00:01:09,720 stories one of the reasons I got into 23 00:01:14,960 --> 00:01:12,480 skepticism growing up in the 1970s all 24 00:01:16,430 --> 00:01:14,970 those UFOs flying about we're going to 25 00:01:19,100 --> 00:01:16,440 kick off the show with the report about 26 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:19,110 government funding federal government 27 00:01:23,390 --> 00:01:21,210 funding I think it is for a local UFO 28 00:01:25,850 --> 00:01:23,400 group up in New South Wales up by just 29 00:01:28,430 --> 00:01:25,860 north of Sydney is this a good thing 30 00:01:30,710 --> 00:01:28,440 this is a bad thing is this a ridiculous 31 00:01:33,140 --> 00:01:30,720 thing find out when we have some reports 32 00:01:35,930 --> 00:01:33,150 including one read by Shelley stockin 33 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:35,940 now reporter about this situation and 34 00:01:39,110 --> 00:01:37,290 then that's followed by an interview 35 00:01:41,180 --> 00:01:39,120 with dr. Steve Roberts from the 36 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:41,190 Australian skeptics who is a UFO expert 37 00:01:47,690 --> 00:01:45,450 an expert in to something that isn't yet 38 00:01:50,300 --> 00:01:47,700 to be proven to exist go figure that one 39 00:01:51,710 --> 00:01:50,310 out UFOs are out there they're in there 40 00:01:53,030 --> 00:01:51,720 they're up there they're doing something 41 00:01:54,980 --> 00:01:53,040 or other they're certainly doing 42 00:01:56,930 --> 00:01:54,990 something with government funding find 43 00:01:58,880 --> 00:01:56,940 out to kick off the skeptic zone 44 00:02:01,360 --> 00:01:58,890 following that it's a follow up to a 45 00:02:03,830 --> 00:02:01,370 story we covered in January about the 46 00:02:06,110 --> 00:02:03,840 National Institute of complementary 47 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:06,120 medicines who were nominated for the 48 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:08,250 Australian skeptics Bend spoon award and 49 00:02:12,470 --> 00:02:09,690 they weren't very pleased about that 50 00:02:15,229 --> 00:02:12,480 will the story of their whinging and 51 00:02:18,470 --> 00:02:15,239 whining and complaining has ended up in 52 00:02:21,259 --> 00:02:18,480 the journal of Australian pharmacist so 53 00:02:23,030 --> 00:02:21,269 we're going to be covering that which is 54 00:02:26,180 --> 00:02:23,040 a sort of a follow up to a story we did 55 00:02:29,750 --> 00:02:26,190 earlier in the year then we have 56 00:02:31,250 --> 00:02:29,760 brouhaha from Australia science TV what 57 00:02:34,339 --> 00:02:31,260 are we looking at this week Oh 58 00:02:36,050 --> 00:02:34,349 Earth's accidental force field 59 00:02:38,660 --> 00:02:36,060 that sounds pretty interesting that's 60 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:38,670 with Casey Harrigan then we have another 61 00:02:43,430 --> 00:02:40,410 report from the Australian skeptics 62 00:02:46,190 --> 00:02:43,440 website about pro-vaccine measures in 63 00:02:47,780 --> 00:02:46,200 the recent federal budget something 64 00:02:50,780 --> 00:02:47,790 that's not going to please the 65 00:02:53,090 --> 00:02:50,790 anti-vaccination lobby and speaking of 66 00:02:54,740 --> 00:02:53,100 the anti-vaccination lobby the final 67 00:02:58,690 --> 00:02:54,750 report on this week's show is about a 68 00:03:02,060 --> 00:02:58,700 disabled boy in danger of malnutrition 69 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:02,070 being removed from his parents by the 70 00:03:09,410 --> 00:03:05,250 police and community services why have 71 00:03:11,810 --> 00:03:09,420 the authorities acted to to remove this 72 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:11,820 boy which is a dramatic thing to do well 73 00:03:16,550 --> 00:03:14,010 find out in our report to round off this 74 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:16,560 week's show now there are all sorts of 75 00:03:21,500 --> 00:03:18,570 sceptical conventions and conferences 76 00:03:23,570 --> 00:03:21,510 and congresses coming up before the end 77 00:03:25,009 --> 00:03:23,580 of the year we have we have the New 78 00:03:27,410 --> 00:03:25,019 England conference and science and 79 00:03:30,020 --> 00:03:27,420 skepticism in New York which I'll be 80 00:03:32,780 --> 00:03:30,030 attending we have saikhan in Las Vegas 81 00:03:35,900 --> 00:03:32,790 we have the European skeptics Congress 82 00:03:39,890 --> 00:03:35,910 in Poland skeptic owl one-day event in 83 00:03:42,830 --> 00:03:39,900 California QED in Manchester and skeptic 84 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:42,840 on Sydney if you want to find out more 85 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:44,970 about all those events I'll add a link 86 00:03:49,310 --> 00:03:47,250 in the show notes and I think those 87 00:03:51,770 --> 00:03:49,320 links will be pretty permanent from now 88 00:03:54,050 --> 00:03:51,780 on well at least until the individual 89 00:03:58,150 --> 00:03:54,060 congresses and conferences and 90 00:04:01,069 --> 00:03:58,160 conventions and cons and everything else 91 00:04:03,650 --> 00:04:01,079 come to an end this year a quick shout 92 00:04:06,710 --> 00:04:03,660 out to the Gold Coast skeptics if you're 93 00:04:11,350 --> 00:04:06,720 in the Gold Coast area of Queensland why 94 00:04:16,150 --> 00:04:11,360 not visit facebook.com slash G sea 95 00:04:18,319 --> 00:04:16,160 skeptics that's facebook.com slash G sea 96 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:18,329 skeptics to find out about the Gold 97 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:21,810 Coast skeptics and any upcoming events 98 00:04:25,570 --> 00:04:23,250 and I think we'll be bringing you more 99 00:04:28,370 --> 00:04:25,580 about the Gold Coast to skeptics um 100 00:04:30,620 --> 00:04:28,380 shortly in in the weeks to come 101 00:04:32,900 --> 00:04:30,630 good luck Gold Coast skeptics in 102 00:04:35,029 --> 00:04:32,910 beautiful part of the world but now it's 103 00:04:37,010 --> 00:04:35,039 time for me to run downstairs 104 00:04:38,990 --> 00:04:37,020 I hope those cats aren't waiting outside 105 00:04:41,060 --> 00:04:39,000 the door sometimes you open the door and 106 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:41,070 cat springing cat owners yes you know 107 00:04:47,029 --> 00:04:42,690 what I mean time for me to run 108 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:47,039 downstairs and um ah look for those fish 109 00:04:51,500 --> 00:04:49,410 and chips I haven't quite gotten through 110 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:51,510 yet I think there's another server fish 111 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:52,690 and chips 112 00:04:56,790 --> 00:04:54,730 and I like to have it with a little bit 113 00:04:59,310 --> 00:04:56,800 of hot - English mustard on the chips 114 00:05:00,570 --> 00:04:59,320 and also something I picked up when I 115 00:05:04,500 --> 00:05:00,580 lived in Germany a little bit of 116 00:05:05,790 --> 00:05:04,510 mayonnaise on the side yeah mmm some 117 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:05,800 listeners will know what I mean 118 00:05:10,740 --> 00:05:08,530 I'm going to run down quickly scoff 119 00:05:12,570 --> 00:05:10,750 those fish and chips run straight back 120 00:05:14,970 --> 00:05:12,580 up the stairs to bring you the rest of 121 00:05:38,679 --> 00:05:14,980 the sceptic zone 122 00:05:43,659 --> 00:05:41,529 is the truth out there is the truth up 123 00:05:45,999 --> 00:05:43,669 there is the truth on the central coast 124 00:05:48,009 --> 00:05:46,009 of New South Wales the area just north 125 00:05:51,100 --> 00:05:48,019 of Sydney a beautiful area surrounded by 126 00:05:53,459 --> 00:05:51,110 beaches and lakes and the city of 127 00:05:56,499 --> 00:05:53,469 Gosford little communities and 128 00:06:00,100 --> 00:05:56,509 apparently apparently that area is a hot 129 00:06:03,039 --> 00:06:00,110 spot for UFO activity and so we come to 130 00:06:06,719 --> 00:06:03,049 a series of reports about the fact that 131 00:06:09,879 --> 00:06:06,729 their local UFO group has been receiving 132 00:06:13,059 --> 00:06:09,889 government funding to continue its 133 00:06:16,449 --> 00:06:13,069 activities after these reports will hear 134 00:06:18,429 --> 00:06:16,459 from Australian skeptics UFO expert dr. 135 00:06:26,510 --> 00:06:18,439 Steve Roberts but we'll kick off with 136 00:06:33,399 --> 00:06:28,799 [Music] 137 00:06:43,929 --> 00:06:33,409 interesting claims questioning take 138 00:06:47,169 --> 00:06:43,939 stock with Shelley stockin hi I'm 139 00:06:49,959 --> 00:06:47,179 Shelley stockin where I live about an 140 00:06:53,319 --> 00:06:49,969 hour or so north of Sydney there's 141 00:06:58,389 --> 00:06:53,329 plenty of sunny weather plenty of golden 142 00:07:03,519 --> 00:06:58,399 beaches plenty of parking and as ABC 143 00:07:05,949 --> 00:07:03,529 News reports possibly plenty of UFOs in 144 00:07:11,319 --> 00:07:05,959 an ABC News article dated Friday the 145 00:07:13,540 --> 00:07:11,329 19th of May 2017 they report Christian 146 00:07:17,559 --> 00:07:13,550 Porter launches probe into taxpayer 147 00:07:19,689 --> 00:07:17,569 funding of UFO group if the truth is out 148 00:07:22,899 --> 00:07:19,699 there it won't be funded by the 149 00:07:25,299 --> 00:07:22,909 government anymore social services 150 00:07:28,059 --> 00:07:25,309 minister Christian Porter has launched 151 00:07:30,189 --> 00:07:28,069 an urgent probe to determine how a UFO 152 00:07:33,399 --> 00:07:30,199 group received thousands of dollars in 153 00:07:35,259 --> 00:07:33,409 taxpayers funds mr. Porter said he was 154 00:07:37,540 --> 00:07:35,269 unaware his department had approved 155 00:07:40,299 --> 00:07:37,550 nearly six thousand dollars of grants 156 00:07:43,829 --> 00:07:40,309 for the Tuggerah Lakes UFO group on the 157 00:07:47,169 --> 00:07:43,839 New South Wales Central Coast since 2013 158 00:07:50,739 --> 00:07:47,179 the funding exposed by News Corp and 159 00:07:52,220 --> 00:07:50,749 confirmed by the ABC was first provided 160 00:07:53,900 --> 00:07:52,230 by the Labour government 161 00:07:56,450 --> 00:07:53,910 to assist with the cost of transporting 162 00:07:59,780 --> 00:07:56,460 volunteers with the disability mr. 163 00:08:02,240 --> 00:07:59,790 Porter who is an avid sci-fi fan said it 164 00:08:05,540 --> 00:08:02,250 was a beam me up Scotty moment when he 165 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:05,550 found out about the funding I'm sure 166 00:08:08,780 --> 00:08:07,290 they're very nice people and there are 167 00:08:11,150 --> 00:08:08,790 lots of volunteers who are getting 168 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:11,160 something out of it but looking at it 169 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:13,170 from my perspective representing 170 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:15,690 taxpayers it didn't seem to pass a 171 00:08:20,750 --> 00:08:18,530 common sense test mr. Porter said I 172 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:20,760 asked the department to hold the 173 00:08:24,620 --> 00:08:22,650 transmission of funds until they could 174 00:08:27,530 --> 00:08:24,630 give me a little more detail around what 175 00:08:29,420 --> 00:08:27,540 the group does mr. Porter said he 176 00:08:31,220 --> 00:08:29,430 wouldn't be swayed by suggestions the 177 00:08:35,540 --> 00:08:31,230 Central Coast region was a hot spot for 178 00:08:36,770 --> 00:08:35,550 UFO sightings it's very hard to unpack 179 00:08:40,130 --> 00:08:36,780 cause and effect 180 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:40,140 he said you tend to find a lot of 181 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:41,970 sightings when you're funding UFO 182 00:08:48,110 --> 00:08:45,930 sighting groups official records show 183 00:08:50,030 --> 00:08:48,120 the department approved two thousand six 184 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:50,040 hundred and forty five dollars for the 185 00:08:56,180 --> 00:08:52,650 UFO group in this year's volunteer grant 186 00:08:57,970 --> 00:08:56,190 program the group received two thousand 187 00:09:02,240 --> 00:08:57,980 nine hundred and ninety four dollars in 188 00:09:03,980 --> 00:09:02,250 2013 the Tuggerah Lakes UFO group has 189 00:09:07,100 --> 00:09:03,990 eight hundred and twenty two members on 190 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:07,110 Facebook and was created to share news 191 00:09:13,550 --> 00:09:10,530 information support friends and network 192 00:09:16,850 --> 00:09:13,560 in UFO matters as well as related topics 193 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:16,860 the ABC it reports has tried to make 194 00:09:20,970 --> 00:09:18,650 contact with the UFO group 195 00:09:23,620 --> 00:09:20,980 [Music] 196 00:09:25,680 --> 00:09:23,630 this is Shelly stockin thanks for having 197 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:25,690 me in your earholes 198 00:09:46,680 --> 00:09:44,040 from Matt Taylor writing in the Central 199 00:09:48,510 --> 00:09:46,690 Coast Gosford Express advocate newspaper 200 00:09:51,660 --> 00:09:48,520 on the 19th of May 201 00:09:54,030 --> 00:09:51,670 Central Coast UFO group funding mystery 202 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:54,040 Federal Minister calls for urgent review 203 00:10:00,389 --> 00:09:57,130 the disbelieving Federal Minister has 204 00:10:02,430 --> 00:10:00,399 launched a probe into the x-file mystery 205 00:10:04,380 --> 00:10:02,440 of why tax payers have forked out 206 00:10:06,449 --> 00:10:04,390 thousands of dollars for a Central Coast 207 00:10:07,710 --> 00:10:06,459 UFO group to conduct its 208 00:10:10,740 --> 00:10:07,720 out-of-this-world 209 00:10:13,380 --> 00:10:10,750 activities Minister for social services 210 00:10:15,780 --> 00:10:13,390 Christian Porter this week called for an 211 00:10:19,079 --> 00:10:15,790 urgent review into his department's 212 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:19,089 decision to approve a grant of two 213 00:10:24,870 --> 00:10:21,610 thousand six hundred and $45 for 214 00:10:27,660 --> 00:10:24,880 Tuggerah Lakes UFO group to quote do 215 00:10:29,639 --> 00:10:27,670 their important work man quote after it 216 00:10:32,550 --> 00:10:29,649 had received two thousand nine hundred 217 00:10:34,949 --> 00:10:32,560 and ninety four dollars in 2013 quote 218 00:10:37,079 --> 00:10:34,959 the minister's office has been advised 219 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:37,089 that this group was previously funded 220 00:10:42,090 --> 00:10:39,370 under the Labour government in 2013 and 221 00:10:44,340 --> 00:10:42,100 some of this grant goes to the transport 222 00:10:46,350 --> 00:10:44,350 costs of volunteers with a disability 223 00:10:49,110 --> 00:10:46,360 when quote a spokesman for mr. Porter 224 00:10:51,630 --> 00:10:49,120 told the Express Advocate quote however 225 00:10:53,550 --> 00:10:51,640 the minister is somewhat surprised at 226 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:53,560 the nature of this particular volunteer 227 00:10:58,290 --> 00:10:56,170 group being funded through his grant 228 00:11:00,780 --> 00:10:58,300 program and he has instructed his 229 00:11:03,690 --> 00:11:00,790 department to hold the transmission of 230 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:03,700 funds pending a reexamination of the 231 00:11:08,550 --> 00:11:06,730 application banquet at agra lakes UFO 232 00:11:11,610 --> 00:11:08,560 group spokeswoman said the close 233 00:11:14,220 --> 00:11:11,620 encounter with a funding investigation 234 00:11:16,769 --> 00:11:14,230 was quote disappointing and quote but 235 00:11:17,220 --> 00:11:16,779 quote it's not the end of the world end 236 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:17,230 quote 237 00:11:23,460 --> 00:11:20,290 ask what the group which has more than 238 00:11:26,250 --> 00:11:23,470 800 Facebook members used the funding 239 00:11:28,199 --> 00:11:26,260 for she said quote we have elderly 240 00:11:30,660 --> 00:11:28,209 people we pick up and take to meetings 241 00:11:32,670 --> 00:11:30,670 where they need projectors and 242 00:11:35,430 --> 00:11:32,680 microphones so everyone can see and hear 243 00:11:38,940 --> 00:11:35,440 what's going on we also have outings at 244 00:11:40,889 --> 00:11:38,950 night checking for unusual activity and 245 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:40,899 quote the Department of Social Services 246 00:11:46,110 --> 00:11:43,450 said on its website that quote the 247 00:11:48,930 --> 00:11:46,120 funding will help the UFO groups 248 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:48,940 volunteers to do their important work by 249 00:11:52,070 --> 00:11:51,010 sharing their experiences and knowledge 250 00:11:54,230 --> 00:11:52,080 with the community 251 00:11:57,259 --> 00:11:54,240 the volunteers foster social inclusion 252 00:11:59,780 --> 00:11:57,269 and enrich the local region and quote 253 00:12:03,970 --> 00:11:59,790 it's said the Central Coast has long 254 00:12:07,850 --> 00:12:03,980 been a hot spot for UFO sightings the 255 00:12:10,699 --> 00:12:07,860 1994 Gosford UFO incident where business 256 00:12:14,630 --> 00:12:10,709 owners policemen and retired academics 257 00:12:17,230 --> 00:12:14,640 witnessed a large object beaming four or 258 00:12:21,259 --> 00:12:17,240 five bright lights into Brisbane water 259 00:12:24,250 --> 00:12:21,269 made for national headlines as an aside 260 00:12:26,780 --> 00:12:24,260 Brisbane water is the body of water 261 00:12:27,230 --> 00:12:26,790 around the Gosford area on the Central 262 00:12:30,380 --> 00:12:27,240 Coast 263 00:12:33,460 --> 00:12:30,390 the Tuggerah Lakes UFO group spokeswoman 264 00:12:36,590 --> 00:12:33,470 says the truth is out there for the many 265 00:12:39,110 --> 00:12:36,600 locals who have since spotted unusual 266 00:12:41,090 --> 00:12:39,120 activity in the region quote it's always 267 00:12:43,460 --> 00:12:41,100 hard to get a definite photo in quotes 268 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:43,470 she said quote often people find it 269 00:12:48,590 --> 00:12:46,050 easier to speak about their experiences 270 00:12:51,310 --> 00:12:48,600 and quote quizzed on how the public 271 00:12:54,170 --> 00:12:51,320 reacted to the UFO group she said quote 272 00:12:55,310 --> 00:12:54,180 it's getting better but some people 273 00:12:58,010 --> 00:12:55,320 think we're all crazy 274 00:13:00,079 --> 00:12:58,020 we actually get people come out to our 275 00:13:02,180 --> 00:13:00,089 meetings from all walks of life we're 276 00:13:04,819 --> 00:13:02,190 all open-minded to aliens being out 277 00:13:07,699 --> 00:13:04,829 there when you read and hear the stories 278 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:07,709 of UFO sightings anything's possible 279 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:12,810 then quote Gosford 1994 x-files still a 280 00:13:17,829 --> 00:13:14,850 mystery it's one of Australia's most 281 00:13:21,319 --> 00:13:17,839 intriguing UFO cases our new year's eve 282 00:13:24,199 --> 00:13:21,329 1994 police switchboards lit up with 283 00:13:26,750 --> 00:13:24,209 reports of an unidentified illuminated 284 00:13:30,410 --> 00:13:26,760 object over Brisbane water witnesses 285 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:30,420 reported seeing quote a huge ball shaped 286 00:13:35,269 --> 00:13:32,370 object with bright lights on the bottom 287 00:13:39,319 --> 00:13:35,279 and quote where it appeared to be 288 00:13:42,079 --> 00:13:39,329 sucking up water some believed the four 289 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:42,089 or five beams of lights were turning the 290 00:13:47,689 --> 00:13:44,850 water into steam while others described 291 00:13:49,819 --> 00:13:47,699 the water as frothing reports came in 292 00:13:51,199 --> 00:13:49,829 that night from respected members of the 293 00:13:53,449 --> 00:13:51,209 community including police officers 294 00:13:55,939 --> 00:13:53,459 doctors teachers nurses and lawyers 295 00:13:58,040 --> 00:13:55,949 police were sent out to investigate but 296 00:14:01,010 --> 00:13:58,050 they soon found themselves chasing a 297 00:14:04,010 --> 00:14:01,020 quote strange metallic craft and quote 298 00:14:05,660 --> 00:14:04,020 back and forth across the bay officers 299 00:14:08,990 --> 00:14:05,670 said they came within 300 00:14:11,210 --> 00:14:09,000 D meters of the UFO and the quote craft 301 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:11,220 would turn off its lights and shoot up 302 00:14:15,560 --> 00:14:13,130 sky words out of sight men quote 303 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:15,570 residents also reported their pets 304 00:14:21,650 --> 00:14:18,090 acting strangely with dogs howling for 305 00:14:24,940 --> 00:14:21,660 no apparent reason the mystery has never 306 00:14:24,950 --> 00:14:30,550 [Music] 307 00:14:35,350 --> 00:14:33,129 joining me now on the line all the way 308 00:14:35,949 --> 00:14:35,360 from sunny Melbourne haha sunny 309 00:14:37,929 --> 00:14:35,959 Melbourne 310 00:14:41,230 --> 00:14:37,939 well sunny one day raining the next it's 311 00:14:44,290 --> 00:14:41,240 the Australian skeptics UFO expert if 312 00:14:46,090 --> 00:14:44,300 there can be an expert into UFOs dr. 313 00:14:48,429 --> 00:14:46,100 Steve Roberts hello Steve 314 00:14:50,949 --> 00:14:48,439 good morning Richard how are you I'm 315 00:14:52,329 --> 00:14:50,959 very well I'm very I'm kind of battles 316 00:14:54,309 --> 00:14:52,339 to how somebody could be an expert on 317 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:54,319 something that's unknown it's true 318 00:14:58,299 --> 00:14:55,970 that's what I thought they call me 319 00:14:59,980 --> 00:14:58,309 anyway oh well we'll go with that at the 320 00:15:03,610 --> 00:14:59,990 moment I'm quite well at the moment I 321 00:15:05,499 --> 00:15:03,620 think I benefit from the all the secret 322 00:15:07,329 --> 00:15:05,509 hidden knowledge that the humanity has 323 00:15:09,549 --> 00:15:07,339 gained over the years from aliens I 324 00:15:12,100 --> 00:15:09,559 think that's the way it works here the 325 00:15:15,519 --> 00:15:12,110 transistor and other stuff I suppose 326 00:15:17,650 --> 00:15:15,529 that's right we're looking at this 327 00:15:21,579 --> 00:15:17,660 interesting story today about government 328 00:15:23,110 --> 00:15:21,589 funding for a UFO group but I kind of 329 00:15:25,420 --> 00:15:23,120 think there's more to this story than 330 00:15:28,629 --> 00:15:25,430 meets the eye what's your take up on 331 00:15:31,449 --> 00:15:28,639 this the UFO groups are social clubs in 332 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:31,459 a great way because you know actually 333 00:15:36,249 --> 00:15:33,290 the UFOs don't really exist I mean if 334 00:15:39,519 --> 00:15:36,259 you if you have a poetry circle as to be 335 00:15:41,650 --> 00:15:39,529 some poetry yeah lifting my UFO group 336 00:15:44,049 --> 00:15:41,660 you've only got stories of UFOs that 337 00:15:45,819 --> 00:15:44,059 should be seen by other people rather 338 00:15:48,610 --> 00:15:45,829 than by the people in the groups itself 339 00:15:50,949 --> 00:15:48,620 so just a sort of you to store your 340 00:15:53,949 --> 00:15:50,959 appreciation group about UFOs and it is 341 00:15:56,769 --> 00:15:53,959 a it is a social group and I've been in 342 00:15:58,749 --> 00:15:56,779 some of these myself and it is it is a 343 00:16:02,019 --> 00:15:58,759 very own set of people are sort of 344 00:16:04,389 --> 00:16:02,029 present in every time but it is a big 345 00:16:07,540 --> 00:16:04,399 social scene you can be in on yeah um 346 00:16:09,879 --> 00:16:07,550 and you can have discussions and whatnot 347 00:16:11,710 --> 00:16:09,889 and you have fun as a whole little true 348 00:16:14,679 --> 00:16:11,720 believers in the group that don't open 349 00:16:17,679 --> 00:16:14,689 their minds to things but it's a it is a 350 00:16:20,199 --> 00:16:17,689 social occasion you can go to and it can 351 00:16:22,629 --> 00:16:20,209 be argued that some you know if somebody 352 00:16:25,900 --> 00:16:22,639 disabled has difficulty going to a 353 00:16:27,549 --> 00:16:25,910 meeting about UFOs it's not really the 354 00:16:29,799 --> 00:16:27,559 business of welfare groups what the 355 00:16:31,449 --> 00:16:29,809 meeting is about the fact is somebody's 356 00:16:33,489 --> 00:16:31,459 disabled and has trouble getting there 357 00:16:35,769 --> 00:16:33,499 and if they wish to go there there 358 00:16:38,249 --> 00:16:35,779 should be assistance yeah it's 359 00:16:41,379 --> 00:16:38,259 interesting I tend to agree but you know 360 00:16:43,420 --> 00:16:41,389 there's two aspects to this there's the 361 00:16:45,130 --> 00:16:43,430 money which we don't know all the 362 00:16:47,350 --> 00:16:45,140 ins and outs of it and it's not it's not 363 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:47,360 a huge amount of money but on one aspect 364 00:16:50,740 --> 00:16:48,770 there are people saying how can you 365 00:16:53,410 --> 00:16:50,750 waste it on something as ridiculous and 366 00:16:56,139 --> 00:16:53,420 outdated as UFOs but the flipside is 367 00:16:57,820 --> 00:16:56,149 well if it's a benefit to people as you 368 00:17:01,060 --> 00:16:57,830 say to get out of the house and help 369 00:17:03,010 --> 00:17:01,070 them socialize meet other people then 370 00:17:04,990 --> 00:17:03,020 that's another aspect to it there were 371 00:17:06,730 --> 00:17:05,000 some thousands of dollars those three or 372 00:17:09,490 --> 00:17:06,740 six thousand or something I don't know 373 00:17:12,069 --> 00:17:09,500 exactly what that was given forth a lot 374 00:17:14,650 --> 00:17:12,079 of money to help people go out actually 375 00:17:16,449 --> 00:17:14,660 but I don't really what it was really 376 00:17:18,549 --> 00:17:16,459 applied to but then all the other side 377 00:17:21,220 --> 00:17:18,559 you know six thousand dollars is quote 378 00:17:24,100 --> 00:17:21,230 only six thousand dollars not very much 379 00:17:26,079 --> 00:17:24,110 on that on the budget of things so it's 380 00:17:27,819 --> 00:17:26,089 not really worth the minister's time to 381 00:17:30,460 --> 00:17:27,829 worry that much about it compared to 382 00:17:32,020 --> 00:17:30,470 other social causes that waste hundreds 383 00:17:34,690 --> 00:17:32,030 and millions of dollars well yes 384 00:17:36,549 --> 00:17:34,700 absolutely true but I guess it's also 385 00:17:38,799 --> 00:17:36,559 the sort of story that the media love 386 00:17:42,460 --> 00:17:38,809 and even the skeptic Jones covering it 387 00:17:44,710 --> 00:17:42,470 because it's got to do with UFOs and I 388 00:17:46,660 --> 00:17:44,720 guess what do you think do you think 389 00:17:49,150 --> 00:17:46,670 there's a lot of nostalgia now about 390 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:49,160 these things because there are discussed 391 00:17:55,990 --> 00:17:53,530 a little division about UFOs since 1997 392 00:17:59,470 --> 00:17:56,000 that the first UFO sighting of the 393 00:18:01,870 --> 00:17:59,480 modern era was in 1947 yeah and the VAS 394 00:18:04,450 --> 00:18:01,880 wahoo house 1948 she was only actually 395 00:18:06,940 --> 00:18:04,460 dug up in about 1980 by Stanton Friedman 396 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:06,950 nobody really had much time for that 397 00:18:12,820 --> 00:18:10,610 story before but if you look at the UFO 398 00:18:16,090 --> 00:18:12,830 movement now or ask any UFO fan they'll 399 00:18:17,980 --> 00:18:16,100 say oh this all began in only 47 48 and 400 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:17,990 there was stuff around was Boswell 401 00:18:21,910 --> 00:18:19,610 around that time when the American got 402 00:18:23,740 --> 00:18:21,920 the testing and actually still are 403 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:23,750 testing around there their stealth 404 00:18:28,390 --> 00:18:26,090 bombers and cruise missiles and secret 405 00:18:31,390 --> 00:18:28,400 weapons and God knows what it always was 406 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:31,400 secret rail there and what I'm was the 407 00:18:36,340 --> 00:18:34,010 50th anniversary came out in 1997 and 408 00:18:37,870 --> 00:18:36,350 the beedi had to think okay it's the 409 00:18:41,110 --> 00:18:37,880 50th anniversary of the first UFO 410 00:18:43,330 --> 00:18:41,120 sighting do we report this you know this 411 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:43,340 subject has reared its head do we report 412 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:46,970 this seriously or with division or with 413 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:49,970 humor or what how do we do it you know 414 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:51,890 do we say these people are lunatics or 415 00:18:56,950 --> 00:18:54,410 there really is an issue and they 416 00:18:59,980 --> 00:18:56,960 decided to report it with a sort of them 417 00:19:01,780 --> 00:18:59,990 benevolent humor yeah and ever since 418 00:19:03,190 --> 00:19:01,790 then UFOs have been viewed with kind of 419 00:19:05,740 --> 00:19:03,200 benevolent because the UFO sightings 420 00:19:07,660 --> 00:19:05,750 have died out with the advent of mobile 421 00:19:09,820 --> 00:19:07,670 phones especially mobile phones with 422 00:19:13,150 --> 00:19:09,830 cameras in them yeah they just are no 423 00:19:15,940 --> 00:19:13,160 you foe sightings anymore they're pretty 424 00:19:18,220 --> 00:19:15,950 scarce I must say that they are pretty 425 00:19:21,450 --> 00:19:18,230 scarce that kind of tells you sorry so 426 00:19:25,090 --> 00:19:21,460 ever since 1997 this ufos has been a 427 00:19:28,170 --> 00:19:25,100 subject for miles on a slightly mild 428 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:28,180 insanity or quirkiness or eccentricity 429 00:19:35,110 --> 00:19:31,610 and they're they're harmless nobody ever 430 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:35,120 got killed by UFO by believing it right 431 00:19:38,770 --> 00:19:36,530 so it's moved from there to be a 432 00:19:40,420 --> 00:19:38,780 metaphor for especially in politics to 433 00:19:42,370 --> 00:19:40,430 be a metaphor for insanity you know I 434 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:42,380 mean we we had a science with us through 435 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:44,810 in Victoria once who believed in UFOs so 436 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:46,850 this was often quoted you know we've got 437 00:19:52,060 --> 00:19:49,250 a science minister who believes in UFOs 438 00:19:54,820 --> 00:19:52,070 yeah well that closes that issue then 439 00:19:57,250 --> 00:19:54,830 you know it was said so I think when 440 00:19:59,380 --> 00:19:57,260 politicians or bill fear agencies get 441 00:20:02,800 --> 00:19:59,390 caught handing out money for flying 442 00:20:07,180 --> 00:20:02,810 saucer clubs um there's a very clear 443 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:07,190 sort of view of division about this but 444 00:20:10,690 --> 00:20:08,090 as I said there are social 445 00:20:12,580 --> 00:20:10,700 considerations if somebody has trouble 446 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:12,590 getting out and about then they should 447 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:14,090 be helped to get out and about whatever 448 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:17,330 for whatever reason yes it's not really 449 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:19,010 on the welfare people to judge why 450 00:20:23,350 --> 00:20:21,050 they're getting out and about yeah there 451 00:20:26,650 --> 00:20:23,360 is no that is it's really a double-edged 452 00:20:28,120 --> 00:20:26,660 issue I agree completely I mean you and 453 00:20:29,590 --> 00:20:28,130 I like to get out and do social 454 00:20:31,150 --> 00:20:29,600 activities more to do with the 455 00:20:33,790 --> 00:20:31,160 science-based areas although of course 456 00:20:37,900 --> 00:20:33,800 the the UFO believers I've certainly 457 00:20:39,820 --> 00:20:37,910 encountered at at paranormal conferences 458 00:20:44,170 --> 00:20:39,830 and whatever would insist they are the 459 00:20:46,120 --> 00:20:44,180 true scientific people that we will have 460 00:20:48,220 --> 00:20:46,130 closed lines so we all have closed minds 461 00:20:51,070 --> 00:20:48,230 yes no I used to Bill you for believer 462 00:20:54,790 --> 00:20:51,080 years ago I thought you looked at the 463 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:54,800 evidence with a more open mind thought 464 00:21:01,210 --> 00:20:57,290 or maybe you know is this really true is 465 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:01,220 this really cooperated and so on but I 466 00:21:04,570 --> 00:21:02,570 mean people are free to believe whatever 467 00:21:06,340 --> 00:21:04,580 they wish and pursue whatever they wish 468 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:06,350 and it's not really for welfare 469 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:09,650 organizations to ensure what they want 470 00:21:13,420 --> 00:21:10,850 people go out to 471 00:21:14,050 --> 00:21:13,430 there are some groups out there who are 472 00:21:16,450 --> 00:21:14,060 harmful 473 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:16,460 you know neo-nazis and anti-vaccination 474 00:21:24,070 --> 00:21:21,730 maniacs yeah so on but even for those 475 00:21:26,790 --> 00:21:24,080 stopping people going to the meetings is 476 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:26,800 sort of like since having you know their 477 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:28,970 broadcasts or whatever it's so it's a 478 00:21:33,070 --> 00:21:30,770 bit of a free speech issue in a way oh 479 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:33,080 yeah yeah these things aren't as black 480 00:21:36,790 --> 00:21:35,210 and white as people would like to point 481 00:21:38,260 --> 00:21:36,800 out again we're just gonna have to 482 00:21:41,140 --> 00:21:38,270 follow this story to see what the 483 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:41,150 minister or the Department decide to do 484 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:43,610 I wouldn't be surprised if they have 485 00:21:48,010 --> 00:21:45,530 their funding curtailed because of the 486 00:21:50,050 --> 00:21:48,020 negative media interest in at the moment 487 00:21:51,550 --> 00:21:50,060 but then again yeah cuz it's getting a 488 00:21:54,790 --> 00:21:51,560 lot of interest maybe more people will 489 00:21:56,710 --> 00:21:54,800 join their UFO Club who knows well there 490 00:21:58,030 --> 00:21:56,720 is that one it was funny for a farmer 491 00:22:00,430 --> 00:21:58,040 study I think the funny will have to get 492 00:22:04,030 --> 00:22:00,440 curtailed because it is such a clear-cut 493 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:04,040 issue so in political speak yeah but 494 00:22:07,030 --> 00:22:05,450 only of how the UFO Club should be able 495 00:22:10,060 --> 00:22:07,040 to sort of milk that for publicity for 496 00:22:12,490 --> 00:22:10,070 all it's worth and and you eventually 497 00:22:14,500 --> 00:22:12,500 maybe get a story I was denied attending 498 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:14,510 a UFO meeting the government stopped me 499 00:22:18,610 --> 00:22:16,850 I just imagine that it's the goodness of 500 00:22:22,300 --> 00:22:18,620 the who are that it's the conspiracy 501 00:22:23,710 --> 00:22:22,310 Steve it my father conspiracy yeah well 502 00:22:26,380 --> 00:22:23,720 I hope this broadcast gets out and it 503 00:22:28,060 --> 00:22:26,390 should be a you not struck by a 400 504 00:22:30,790 --> 00:22:28,070 bustles on the all my hopes try a 505 00:22:32,860 --> 00:22:30,800 meteorite yeah oh well that there you go 506 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:32,870 well let Steve keep looking for those 507 00:22:37,300 --> 00:22:34,970 UFOs I mean you are regarded as one of 508 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:37,310 Australia's top UFO experts but again we 509 00:22:40,540 --> 00:22:38,810 get back to saying how can you be an 510 00:22:44,050 --> 00:22:40,550 expert into something that has not been 511 00:22:45,430 --> 00:22:44,060 proven yes no I I know all the stories 512 00:22:47,290 --> 00:22:45,440 and people say what about windowsill 513 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:47,300 forests any I know I know that story 514 00:22:54,310 --> 00:22:49,250 what happened there learned all that 515 00:22:56,650 --> 00:22:54,320 stuff I couldn't do something more fun 516 00:22:58,900 --> 00:22:56,660 instead but here it is you could maybe 517 00:23:00,880 --> 00:22:58,910 spinners maybe this this spinner cranes 518 00:23:03,580 --> 00:23:00,890 maybe they came from alien technology oh 519 00:23:06,580 --> 00:23:03,590 they did yeah we didn't have those until 520 00:23:09,340 --> 00:23:06,590 the aliens landed in the desert look at 521 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:09,350 the spit oh I happen to note that you 522 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:11,810 have a collection of spinners now oh I 523 00:23:17,110 --> 00:23:14,810 might have yes I bought one of the 524 00:23:20,140 --> 00:23:17,120 market that they've sold commercially I 525 00:23:22,690 --> 00:23:20,150 got my IndieGoGo but you into patties 526 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:22,700 market and there they were there so 527 00:23:27,340 --> 00:23:25,490 faint voices ahead of the game well if 528 00:23:29,740 --> 00:23:27,350 that's not proof of alien technology I 529 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:29,750 don't know what is but 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--> 00:25:35,220 spoon is our annual award for the most 567 00:25:41,889 --> 00:25:37,950 purpose truest piece of paranormal or 568 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:41,899 pseudo scientific people in other words 569 00:25:48,349 --> 00:25:45,450 people or organisations or products out 570 00:25:50,839 --> 00:25:48,359 there that we feel or people feel who 571 00:25:52,909 --> 00:25:50,849 let us know certainly do not live up to 572 00:25:56,450 --> 00:25:52,919 the paranormal or pseudo scientific 573 00:25:58,460 --> 00:25:56,460 claims that they are making the National 574 00:26:00,409 --> 00:25:58,470 Institute of complementary medicine was 575 00:26:02,629 --> 00:26:00,419 not very pleased at receiving this 576 00:26:04,489 --> 00:26:02,639 nomination and they wrote it to the 577 00:26:08,269 --> 00:26:04,499 Australian skeptics to express their 578 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:08,279 displeasure and ask that we withdraw the 579 00:26:11,060 --> 00:26:09,210 nomination 580 00:26:13,759 --> 00:26:11,070 the Australian skeptics of course said 581 00:26:16,129 --> 00:26:13,769 no and just this week it's come to our 582 00:26:21,289 --> 00:26:16,139 attention that the Australian Journal of 583 00:26:24,139 --> 00:26:21,299 Pharmacy has taken up this story and you 584 00:26:26,479 --> 00:26:24,149 can find this report at the website of 585 00:26:29,990 --> 00:26:26,489 the Australian Journal of Pharmacy under 586 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:30,000 the title of unproven issues 587 00:26:34,860 --> 00:26:32,490 [Music] 588 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:34,870 complementary medicines body under fire 589 00:26:40,289 --> 00:26:37,570 over evidence-based and environmental 590 00:26:42,749 --> 00:26:40,299 issues the National Institute of 591 00:26:45,749 --> 00:26:42,759 complementary medicines is once again 592 00:26:48,690 --> 00:26:45,759 under fire for promoting unproven 593 00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:48,700 products as well as having inconsistent 594 00:26:53,669 --> 00:26:51,370 views on the use of endangered species 595 00:26:55,710 --> 00:26:53,679 in traditional Chinese medicines the 596 00:26:59,399 --> 00:26:55,720 Australian skeptics have renewed their 597 00:27:01,980 --> 00:26:59,409 campaign against the ni c m accusing it 598 00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:01,990 of quote apparent endorsement of 599 00:27:08,460 --> 00:27:05,289 unproven traditional chinese treatments 600 00:27:11,159 --> 00:27:08,470 and quote in an article in the most 601 00:27:14,190 --> 00:27:11,169 recent edition of the skeptic the 602 00:27:17,700 --> 00:27:14,200 association's quarterly journal the ni c 603 00:27:20,399 --> 00:27:17,710 m was also accused of quote directly or 604 00:27:22,230 --> 00:27:20,409 indirectly and quote promoting or 605 00:27:26,610 --> 00:27:22,240 supporting the use of endangered animals 606 00:27:29,610 --> 00:27:26,620 in traditional chinese medicine TCM the 607 00:27:33,090 --> 00:27:29,620 latest criticism follows comments by ni 608 00:27:36,090 --> 00:27:33,100 cm head professor alan ban Susan backing 609 00:27:39,450 --> 00:27:36,100 the work ni cm does highlighting the 610 00:27:42,990 --> 00:27:39,460 quote Nobel prize-winning research into 611 00:27:45,869 --> 00:27:43,000 art museum and NOAA a good example of 612 00:27:48,389 --> 00:27:45,879 the recent validation of a traditional 613 00:27:49,730 --> 00:27:48,399 medicine used for centuries in managing 614 00:27:52,769 --> 00:27:49,740 malaria end quote 615 00:27:56,070 --> 00:27:52,779 professor ben Susan told MJ a insight 616 00:27:58,590 --> 00:27:56,080 the research highlighted the work ni CM 617 00:28:00,450 --> 00:27:58,600 was undertaking however the Australian 618 00:28:03,779 --> 00:28:00,460 skeptics article claims that quote 619 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:03,789 unfortunately for Ben Susan is claims 620 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:07,450 for the efficacy of a n OA is totally 621 00:28:12,659 --> 00:28:09,129 contradicted by the World Health 622 00:28:14,940 --> 00:28:12,669 Organization which said in a position 623 00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:14,950 paper for the global malaria program 624 00:28:21,659 --> 00:28:18,370 that it quote does not recommend the use 625 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:21,669 of a in our plant material in any form 626 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:24,129 including tea for the treatment or 627 00:28:31,039 --> 00:28:27,250 prevention of malaria in quote quote the 628 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:31,049 amount of artemisinin in a an hour is 629 00:28:36,210 --> 00:28:33,850 extremely variable which is why the 630 00:28:38,460 --> 00:28:36,220 World Health Organization does not 631 00:28:39,570 --> 00:28:38,470 recommend the use of the plant itself as 632 00:28:42,180 --> 00:28:39,580 a treatment end quote 633 00:28:43,230 --> 00:28:42,190 the article said in addition the article 634 00:28:47,250 --> 00:28:43,240 raised issues are 635 00:28:50,310 --> 00:28:47,260 the links on the niam website to a TCM 636 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:50,320 herbal database that gives quote helpful 637 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:53,290 information men quote on the medical use 638 00:28:59,880 --> 00:28:56,770 of rhino horn the clinical uses and 639 00:29:04,799 --> 00:28:59,890 indications of which it gives as quote 640 00:29:08,370 --> 00:29:04,809 clears heat relieves fire toxicity cools 641 00:29:11,540 --> 00:29:08,380 blood arrests tremors arrhythmia 642 00:29:14,820 --> 00:29:11,550 nosebleed vomiting blood diarrhea 643 00:29:16,500 --> 00:29:14,830 convulsions manic behavior loss of 644 00:29:18,870 --> 00:29:16,510 consciousness end quote 645 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:18,880 in February when this link was pointed 646 00:29:23,910 --> 00:29:22,090 out to the N ICM it was removed from 647 00:29:26,310 --> 00:29:23,920 their website but the Australian 648 00:29:29,250 --> 00:29:26,320 skeptics say there are also links 649 00:29:31,470 --> 00:29:29,260 between n IC m and research citing the 650 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:31,480 use of products containing ingredients 651 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:33,970 sourced from endangered animals such as 652 00:29:39,810 --> 00:29:37,090 Indian Rhinoceros and Chinese forest 653 00:29:42,780 --> 00:29:39,820 musk deer professor ben susan has 654 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:42,790 previously stated that quote the TCM 655 00:29:48,540 --> 00:29:45,730 profession and the community should 656 00:29:50,850 --> 00:29:48,550 absolutely reject any use of endangered 657 00:29:53,310 --> 00:29:50,860 animals and plant species in Chinese 658 00:29:55,230 --> 00:29:53,320 medicines unquote last year 659 00:29:57,030 --> 00:29:55,240 professor ben susan asked that his 660 00:29:59,370 --> 00:29:57,040 organization's nomination for the 661 00:30:02,790 --> 00:29:59,380 australian skeptics bent spoon award for 662 00:30:05,370 --> 00:30:02,800 2016 be withdrawn in a letter to the 663 00:30:09,570 --> 00:30:05,380 association professor ben susan said ni 664 00:30:11,850 --> 00:30:09,580 cm does not quote defend the use of any 665 00:30:13,790 --> 00:30:11,860 complementary medicines unsupported by 666 00:30:16,410 --> 00:30:13,800 evidence the focus of our research 667 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:16,420 institute excludes many forms of 668 00:30:21,330 --> 00:30:18,370 complementary medicines based on this 669 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:21,340 notion end quote and that story comes to 670 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:24,610 us from a Jay P calm that ru written by 671 00:30:29,490 --> 00:30:26,650 a Chris Brooker published on the 18th of 672 00:30:31,910 --> 00:30:29,500 May 2017 and you can find out more about 673 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:31,920 the Australian skeptics bent spoon award 674 00:30:39,630 --> 00:30:37,090 by visiting WWF Dexcom delay you and if 675 00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:39,640 you feel so inclined you can nominate an 676 00:30:46,230 --> 00:30:42,640 individual an organization a product for 677 00:30:50,669 --> 00:30:46,240 the bent spoon the criteria is that they 678 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:50,679 should be Australian based we can't go 679 00:30:54,060 --> 00:30:52,330 nominating people from around the world 680 00:30:56,460 --> 00:30:54,070 although it's not a bad idea sometimes 681 00:30:57,070 --> 00:30:56,470 we'd like to but basically Australian 682 00:31:00,400 --> 00:30:57,080 based part 683 00:31:02,140 --> 00:31:00,410 accent people and services and you feel 684 00:31:04,510 --> 00:31:02,150 free to nominate somebody for that award 685 00:31:06,690 --> 00:31:04,520 we can review your nomination and who 686 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:06,700 knows it may appear on the website and 687 00:31:11,620 --> 00:31:09,170 your nomination may prove to be the 688 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:11,630 winning one or the losing one depending 689 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:12,530 on how you look at it 690 00:31:28,660 --> 00:31:26,810 skeptics comm got a you hi this is Ben 691 00:31:30,580 --> 00:31:28,670 Radford and this is Pascual Romero from 692 00:31:32,770 --> 00:31:30,590 the squaring the strange podcast 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00:32:20,800 very low frequency radio transmissions 708 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:22,720 to say what's up to submarines we've 709 00:32:27,150 --> 00:32:24,730 created this sort of radio wave space 710 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:27,160 bubble now so just discovered that it's 711 00:32:31,110 --> 00:32:28,810 it's about a thousand kilometers from 712 00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:31,120 Earth which for reference is about 600 713 00:32:34,500 --> 00:32:32,320 kilometres further than the 714 00:32:36,150 --> 00:32:34,510 International Space Station to add 715 00:32:38,340 --> 00:32:36,160 another layer of happy to this accident 716 00:32:41,100 --> 00:32:38,350 our force field sits right at the inner 717 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:41,110 edge of the Van Allen radiation belt if 718 00:32:44,550 --> 00:32:42,210 it wasn't for our magnetic field 719 00:32:46,380 --> 00:32:44,560 radiation belts like this as well as the 720 00:32:48,270 --> 00:32:46,390 Sun would bombard our planet with 721 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:48,280 charged particles and cause everything 722 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:49,690 from health problems to satellite 723 00:32:53,790 --> 00:32:52,210 interference our very low frequency 724 00:32:56,070 --> 00:32:53,800 bubble gives us an extra layer of 725 00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:56,080 protection from radiation now we know 726 00:32:59,850 --> 00:32:57,850 it's there we can figure out exactly how 727 00:33:01,770 --> 00:32:59,860 protective it is and maybe even figure 728 00:33:04,500 --> 00:33:01,780 out how to use it to push away charged 729 00:33:06,330 --> 00:33:04,510 particles during severe space weather so 730 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:06,340 21 whose job it is to communicate with 731 00:33:12,770 --> 00:33:09,130 submarines go ahead and have a nice long 732 00:33:23,700 --> 00:33:15,860 for more brouhaha and Australian science 733 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:25,570 [Music] 734 00:33:26,910 --> 00:33:26,730 [Applause] 735 00:33:29,170 --> 00:33:26,920 [Music] 736 00:33:32,830 --> 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00:34:23,339 skeptical at the Shattuck hotel Austin 752 00:34:29,620 --> 00:34:25,919 Wade Berkeley California Sunday June 753 00:34:29,630 --> 00:34:37,149 [Music] 754 00:34:41,799 --> 00:34:39,359 [Applause] 755 00:34:45,899 --> 00:34:41,809 now here's a little update from the 756 00:34:49,149 --> 00:34:45,909 Australian skeptics website wapt.com 757 00:34:52,089 --> 00:34:49,159 today you buy tim Mendham published on 758 00:34:56,290 --> 00:34:52,099 the 10th of May under the title of probe 759 00:34:58,690 --> 00:34:56,300 axon measures in the 2017 budget the 760 00:35:01,720 --> 00:34:58,700 anti-vaccination Lobby will not be 761 00:35:05,319 --> 00:35:01,730 pleased with the 2017 federal budget 762 00:35:08,109 --> 00:35:05,329 following on it's no jab no pay policy 763 00:35:10,270 --> 00:35:08,119 the government has decided that families 764 00:35:12,940 --> 00:35:10,280 who fail to immunize their children and 765 00:35:15,309 --> 00:35:12,950 who fail to get a health check on their 766 00:35:17,559 --> 00:35:15,319 four-year-olds will lose twenty eight 767 00:35:20,470 --> 00:35:17,569 dollars a fortnight from the Family Tax 768 00:35:22,089 --> 00:35:20,480 Benefit this is part of the policy of 769 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:22,099 increasing national immunization 770 00:35:27,339 --> 00:35:24,770 coverage rates and improving the 771 00:35:30,730 --> 00:35:27,349 effectiveness of the national 772 00:35:34,030 --> 00:35:30,740 immunization program increase the aim is 773 00:35:37,059 --> 00:35:34,040 that the immunization coverage rates in 774 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:37,069 children at five years of age should be 775 00:35:41,319 --> 00:35:39,530 increased from an estimated ninety two 776 00:35:45,099 --> 00:35:41,329 point two percent of children immunized 777 00:35:50,829 --> 00:35:45,109 in 2016-17 to at least ninety four 778 00:35:53,710 --> 00:35:50,839 percent of children by 2020 21 the 779 00:35:56,230 --> 00:35:53,720 government says it will commit 14 point 780 00:35:58,270 --> 00:35:56,240 1 million dollars over four years 781 00:36:00,700 --> 00:35:58,280 through the National immunisation 782 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:00,710 programme to provide ongoing catch-up 783 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:03,410 vaccines for almost three hundred and 784 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:05,690 seventy-five thousand Australians aged 785 00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:09,410 10 to 19 years and more than 8,000 adult 786 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:13,040 refugees and humanitarian entrants in 787 00:36:17,740 --> 00:36:14,930 addition the government will launch a 788 00:36:19,870 --> 00:36:17,750 five point five million dollar awareness 789 00:36:22,299 --> 00:36:19,880 campaign over three years to improve 790 00:36:24,780 --> 00:36:22,309 awareness and uptake of immunization for 791 00:36:27,250 --> 00:36:24,790 children less than five years of age 792 00:36:28,750 --> 00:36:27,260 regular reminders will be sent to 793 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:28,760 parents covering the importance of 794 00:36:33,579 --> 00:36:30,770 immunizing children and predicting 795 00:36:36,220 --> 00:36:33,589 public health and we notice all there's 796 00:36:40,089 --> 00:36:36,230 a comment published on the 14th of May 797 00:36:43,359 --> 00:36:40,099 on that page from David Smith and the 798 00:36:45,410 --> 00:36:43,369 David Smith rights you blokes are going 799 00:36:48,710 --> 00:36:45,420 to give scientists a bad name 800 00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:48,720 neither you nor any doctors know how 801 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:50,880 each vaccine is produced purified 802 00:36:57,289 --> 00:36:53,970 activated inactivated how successful or 803 00:36:59,630 --> 00:36:57,299 not such activation actions are the 804 00:37:02,359 --> 00:36:59,640 constituents of each batch batch control 805 00:37:05,240 --> 00:37:02,369 and the specific molecular actions that 806 00:37:09,039 --> 00:37:05,250 occur in vitro from the administration 807 00:37:11,839 --> 00:37:09,049 of this multiple protein / adjunct mix 808 00:37:13,460 --> 00:37:11,849 what you do have is critical trial 809 00:37:15,740 --> 00:37:13,470 results provided to you by the 810 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:15,750 manufacturers and you call yourself 811 00:37:20,510 --> 00:37:18,450 scientists I am a biochemist and I would 812 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:20,520 not have a clue where the vaccines are 813 00:37:25,549 --> 00:37:22,650 as safe as claimed and neither would you 814 00:37:28,370 --> 00:37:25,559 so kindly stop this Inquisition type 815 00:37:30,799 --> 00:37:28,380 hunt of anti-vaxxers most of whom are 816 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:30,809 more correctly described as X of axes 817 00:37:36,140 --> 00:37:34,170 your embarrassment will be extreme if it 818 00:37:38,809 --> 00:37:36,150 turns out down the line that some of the 819 00:37:40,670 --> 00:37:38,819 plethora of the vaccines in the market 820 00:37:42,890 --> 00:37:40,680 are not as safe as currently believed 821 00:37:45,740 --> 00:37:42,900 leave them alone and concentrate on 822 00:37:48,589 --> 00:37:45,750 something more important thank you 823 00:37:50,420 --> 00:37:48,599 David Smith your comments are noted and 824 00:37:53,530 --> 00:37:50,430 if you wish to leave a comment just 825 00:38:09,430 --> 00:37:53,540 visit skeptics comm dot a you 826 00:38:13,849 --> 00:38:11,809 hey Spence got skipped ago 827 00:38:16,220 --> 00:38:13,859 the vet valid veteran scope for billing 828 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:16,230 in the dog nun hangar of the skeptic 829 00:38:21,140 --> 00:38:18,930 zone at a knock so are fearful dog pop 830 00:38:24,470 --> 00:38:21,150 science quiz or skeptical Kevin Thomas 831 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:24,480 Valley Quinn po vvv Punto front si 832 00:38:29,450 --> 00:38:26,970 thought spawning vivoli lugar local 833 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:29,460 training a hunter Malanda topic on warm 834 00:38:33,349 --> 00:38:30,930 the door installed talent defense 835 00:38:37,819 --> 00:38:33,359 non-local training often to start FL 836 00:38:40,819 --> 00:38:37,829 your pot on a day is new hello all 837 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:40,829 skeptics in Sweden I'm sure you already 838 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:42,450 know that the Swedish skeptics 839 00:38:47,210 --> 00:38:44,970 Association not only is a big fan of the 840 00:38:49,700 --> 00:38:47,220 skeptic zone but that we also organize 841 00:38:54,069 --> 00:38:49,710 lectures pop science quiz and skeptics 842 00:38:56,450 --> 00:38:54,079 in the pub all over the country go to 843 00:38:58,789 --> 00:38:56,460 www.hsn 844 00:39:01,220 --> 00:38:58,799 to see what our seven local chapters are 845 00:39:03,529 --> 00:39:01,230 up to and if you live in a place where 846 00:39:04,250 --> 00:39:03,539 there is no local chapter why not start 847 00:39:21,049 --> 00:39:04,260 one yourself 848 00:39:23,240 --> 00:39:21,059 I am talking to you Leo over the last 849 00:39:27,109 --> 00:39:23,250 few weeks a very disturbing story has 850 00:39:30,740 --> 00:39:27,119 been unfolding of a four year old boy 851 00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:30,750 quite ill with cerebral palsy being 852 00:39:36,380 --> 00:39:32,880 denied proper medical attention due to 853 00:39:41,329 --> 00:39:36,390 the beliefs of his mother 854 00:39:45,559 --> 00:39:41,339 it would seem and this culminated just 855 00:39:48,319 --> 00:39:45,569 last night here in in Australia with the 856 00:39:50,900 --> 00:39:48,329 boy being removed from his parents or 857 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:50,910 his mother at least in order for him to 858 00:40:01,099 --> 00:39:54,930 receive proper care because it seems the 859 00:40:03,380 --> 00:40:01,109 mother and her associates are of the 860 00:40:05,509 --> 00:40:03,390 conspiratorial mindset in other words 861 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:05,519 that they've discovered the right method 862 00:40:10,490 --> 00:40:08,130 to treat this sick boy which involves 863 00:40:11,870 --> 00:40:10,500 medical cannabis and I'm not saying 864 00:40:14,210 --> 00:40:11,880 anything for or against that 865 00:40:17,690 --> 00:40:14,220 particularly at the moment and organic 866 00:40:19,819 --> 00:40:17,700 food good more importantly that what the 867 00:40:21,220 --> 00:40:19,829 proper medical authorities are 868 00:40:23,410 --> 00:40:21,230 recommending 869 00:40:26,290 --> 00:40:23,420 to their mind is nothing more than 870 00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:26,300 dangerous chemicals and pharmaceutical 871 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:28,880 conspiracy an overview here from Jane 872 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:30,890 Hansen who is writing in The Sunday 873 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:34,090 Telegraph published on the 21st of May 874 00:40:39,820 --> 00:40:36,410 disabled boy in danger of malnutrition 875 00:40:42,099 --> 00:40:39,830 removed from parents child protection 876 00:40:44,740 --> 00:40:42,109 authorities have removed a severely 877 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:44,750 disabled four-year-old from his parents 878 00:40:50,020 --> 00:40:47,090 because the boy was deemed at risk of 879 00:40:52,270 --> 00:40:50,030 serious harm due to malnutrition last 880 00:40:55,390 --> 00:40:52,280 year his parents stopped the prescribed 881 00:40:58,150 --> 00:40:55,400 total nutrition formula diet fed through 882 00:41:00,730 --> 00:40:58,160 a tube into the boys stomach in favor of 883 00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:00,740 a quote natural diet of pureed fruit and 884 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:04,250 vegetables unquote and cannabis oil the 885 00:41:08,830 --> 00:41:06,410 child has been under the care of a 886 00:41:12,070 --> 00:41:08,840 struck off doctor but he's weighted 887 00:41:14,620 --> 00:41:12,080 plummeted he was taken to John Hunter 888 00:41:17,349 --> 00:41:14,630 Hospital on the first of May and blood 889 00:41:20,050 --> 00:41:17,359 tests showed the child to have quote 890 00:41:22,750 --> 00:41:20,060 critical abnormal levels of potassium in 891 00:41:24,940 --> 00:41:22,760 quote consistent with malnutrition the 892 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:24,950 parents failed to return him for a 893 00:41:29,500 --> 00:41:27,170 checkup by the 17th of May 894 00:41:33,730 --> 00:41:29,510 prompting child protection authorities 895 00:41:35,859 --> 00:41:33,740 to act on Friday at 5:00 p.m. for police 896 00:41:39,310 --> 00:41:35,869 officers and to Family and Community 897 00:41:41,950 --> 00:41:39,320 Services workers arrived at where he was 898 00:41:44,230 --> 00:41:41,960 staying in Newcastle quote we had him 899 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:44,240 barricaded in a room with his mother and 900 00:41:49,359 --> 00:41:47,570 quote his doctor said quote we agreed to 901 00:41:51,250 --> 00:41:49,369 take him to hospital with his mother 902 00:41:53,650 --> 00:41:51,260 where the doctors cleared him to go back 903 00:41:55,810 --> 00:41:53,660 home then Child Protection stepped in 904 00:41:58,240 --> 00:41:55,820 and the mother was sprayed with capsicum 905 00:41:59,770 --> 00:41:58,250 spray and thrown into a paddy wagon it 906 00:42:01,960 --> 00:41:59,780 was a disgrace end quote 907 00:42:05,170 --> 00:42:01,970 the doctor said the child had been on 908 00:42:07,390 --> 00:42:05,180 potassium replacement therapy he 909 00:42:10,410 --> 00:42:07,400 rejected criticism that child's diet was 910 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:10,420 inappropriate quote the child has 911 00:42:15,700 --> 00:42:13,490 malabsorption problems and he has 912 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:15,710 terrible reflux when quote the doctor 913 00:42:21,450 --> 00:42:19,010 said the parents and anti vaccine 914 00:42:23,950 --> 00:42:21,460 campaigners have taken up his cause 915 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:23,960 believed vaccinations caused him to 916 00:42:28,900 --> 00:42:25,970 develop his medical problems the child's 917 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:28,910 seizures began before he was vaccinated 918 00:42:33,220 --> 00:42:31,130 and that little update comes to us from 919 00:42:34,570 --> 00:42:33,230 Jane Hanson writing in The Sunday 920 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:34,580 Telegraph 921 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:37,490 and here courtesy of the Nine Network 922 00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:39,890 The Nine News is a report on the 923 00:42:43,420 --> 00:42:40,730 situation 924 00:42:45,340 --> 00:42:43,430 it's another chapter in the sad fight 925 00:42:47,830 --> 00:42:45,350 over the medical treatment of a four 926 00:42:58,030 --> 00:42:47,840 year old boy with cerebral palsy 927 00:43:00,490 --> 00:42:58,040 play secada we've just been pepper 928 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:00,500 sprayed police arresting the boy's 929 00:43:05,230 --> 00:43:02,810 mother after she tried to stop doctors 930 00:43:12,070 --> 00:43:05,240 at a Newcastle hospital from treating 931 00:43:14,140 --> 00:43:12,080 him the young boy the center of the 932 00:43:17,350 --> 00:43:14,150 medical stash can't be named for legal 933 00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:17,360 reasons but it's the second time in less 934 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:18,050 than a month 935 00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:20,330 his mother has clashed with authorities 936 00:43:25,330 --> 00:43:22,730 over her son receiving traditional 937 00:43:27,250 --> 00:43:25,340 treatment versus unconventional medicine 938 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:27,260 we are concerned like I think who was 939 00:43:32,650 --> 00:43:30,410 you you know just three weeks ago 940 00:43:35,170 --> 00:43:32,660 Queensland police issued an Amber Alert 941 00:43:37,690 --> 00:43:35,180 after the boy's parents took him from 942 00:43:40,300 --> 00:43:37,700 lady salento hospital and drove to 943 00:43:42,820 --> 00:43:40,310 Newcastle before police found him last 944 00:43:44,830 --> 00:43:42,830 night New South Wales authorities came 945 00:43:47,050 --> 00:43:44,840 to collect the boy at a church that 946 00:43:53,530 --> 00:43:47,060 promotes medicinal cannabis and an 947 00:43:55,390 --> 00:43:53,540 organic diet that court order alleged 948 00:43:57,940 --> 00:43:55,400 the four-year-old suffered medical 949 00:44:00,280 --> 00:43:57,950 neglect a blood test showing the boy had 950 00:44:02,410 --> 00:44:00,290 critically abnormal potassium levels 951 00:44:04,870 --> 00:44:02,420 which can place him at risk of 952 00:44:06,700 --> 00:44:04,880 life-threatening cardiac arrhythmia 953 00:44:09,190 --> 00:44:06,710 his mother has since been released 954 00:44:12,550 --> 00:44:09,200 without charge but her son is now in 955 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:12,560 care Shannan Marshall mcCormick nine as 956 00:44:18,220 --> 00:44:15,530 you could hear in that report the the 957 00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:18,230 screams of the parents and the other 958 00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:21,170 people involved and I'm not surprised 959 00:44:26,460 --> 00:44:23,090 because we've got two issues going on 960 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:26,470 here we've got one which is the normal 961 00:44:31,390 --> 00:44:28,970 concern a parent would have for their 962 00:44:35,980 --> 00:44:31,400 child regardless and that can easily 963 00:44:38,140 --> 00:44:35,990 bubble over into um into hysteria if a 964 00:44:39,540 --> 00:44:38,150 parent thinks their child is in imminent 965 00:44:41,710 --> 00:44:39,550 danger and that's absolutely 966 00:44:44,350 --> 00:44:41,720 understandable I I think any parent 967 00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:44,360 could under understand where they're 968 00:44:48,460 --> 00:44:47,090 coming from there but that combined with 969 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:48,470 what they're being fed by 970 00:44:53,020 --> 00:44:50,810 by the conspiracy theories the 971 00:44:56,010 --> 00:44:53,030 anti-vaccination crowd and the one-world 972 00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:56,020 government and now all chemicals or evil 973 00:44:59,589 --> 00:44:58,010 pharmaceuticals are out to get you the 974 00:45:02,859 --> 00:44:59,599 doctors are puppets of the large fire 975 00:45:04,500 --> 00:45:02,869 all this sort of thing all that wrapped 976 00:45:07,859 --> 00:45:04,510 up 977 00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:07,869 combined with the the angst and the 978 00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:10,730 worry that the parents have this is the 979 00:45:15,720 --> 00:45:12,770 result at least for the moment the boys 980 00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:15,730 in proper care and we will bring you any 981 00:45:31,180 --> 00:45:30,050 relevant updates as they happen from the 982 00:45:33,940 --> 00:45:31,190 dawn of time 983 00:45:36,820 --> 00:45:33,950 one blood cast has unlocked the secrets 984 00:45:39,430 --> 00:45:36,830 of science and technology to enrich the 985 00:45:41,710 --> 00:45:39,440 lives of billions and now after a year 986 00:45:43,870 --> 00:45:41,720 where they've unlocked the Golden Age of 987 00:45:47,170 --> 00:45:43,880 knowledge they're about to get warp 988 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:47,180 speed and go stratospheric holed up on 989 00:45:51,970 --> 00:45:49,490 oh no Ross and Carrie we don't make 990 00:45:54,130 --> 00:45:51,980 extraordinary claims we investigate them 991 00:45:56,470 --> 00:45:54,140 we go undercover with fringe religious 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Australian 1047 00:48:44,829 --> 00:48:36,430 skeptics or any other sceptical 1048 00:48:53,539 --> 00:48:49,400 I'm will and when I grew up I want to be 1049 00:48:55,069 --> 00:48:53,549 a marine biologist what what are you 1050 00:48:58,269 --> 00:48:55,079 going to do when you're a marine 1051 00:49:03,859 --> 00:48:58,279 biologist daddy 1052 00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:03,869 study what what are some of the things 1053 00:49:07,130 --> 00:49:05,970 in the ocean stop stop what are some of 1054 00:49:09,079 --> 00:49:07,140 the things in the ocean you'd like to 1055 00:49:10,279 --> 00:49:09,089 study don't get dizzy what are some of 1056 00:49:14,470 --> 00:49:10,289 the things in the ocean you'd like to 1057 00:49:26,539 --> 00:49:14,480 study starfish yeah what else 1058 00:49:28,549 --> 00:49:26,549 fish yeah well yeah oh yeah turtle that